With that said, growing up he was revered as an athlete, yet his legacy in the Hampton, Virginia area may be the 1993 brawl that he was part of. Race and racism played a major role on the peninsula he lived; however, there are some that argue that his being a superstar was a greater contributor to the resulting trial from the brawl.
Answer these questions
1) It is fair to evaluate Iverson's legacy with that brawl/trial in mind? Why or why not?
2) Look up Iverson's stats and highlights. Do you think that Allen Iverson is as supremely talented of a player as he seemed to believe, as well as others? Explain what you see in his game/stats.
3) Should we evaluate athletes based on their on-field/on-court accomplishments or on their behavior off? Explain.
4) TEXTUAL CONNECTIONS: Do you think that Neely Crenshaw's legacy should have been more greatly tarnished due to the final championship game and the rumors that surrounded it? And, did Neely Crenshaw have a responsibility to his community that he did not uphold? EXPLAIN YOUR ANSWERS.
Worth 5 points per response for a total of 20 points. Due by MONDAY, FEBRUARY 11th.
1. I think that Allen Iverson didn't do anything at the brawl and no one should have got in trouble for it. You cannot tell who's who in the video.
ReplyDelete2. I think Allen Iverson is amazing and so good and I love the fact that he's so cocky. That's kind of how I am. Like you can tell me I'm bad at hockey but I will play you in a 1 on 1 and I will win.
3. I don't think we can evaluate them on their on court behaviors because people who love the sport will be so sad or pissed off when they lost or something doesn't go their way.
1.No, it is not fair to evaluate Iverson’s legacy with the trial in mind. Iverson trained to become a professional athlete, and he succeeded in doing so. The community’s infatuation with him built him up to some type of racial symbol by which they hoped to fight back against societal injustices, and Iverson could not control this. People put so much faith in Iverson that they forgot he was a man--they forgot he was fallible. Iverson should not, then, be denounced for his inability to fulfill a role that was too big for him or for anyone. He can and should be held accountable for his own actions both on and off the court, but his successes and failures should not be magnified beyond the scope of individual capability. He was flawed and, like many other professional athletes, engaged in some scummy behavior, but, ultimately, deserved to be recognized for what he worked toward.
ReplyDelete2.According to The Wages of Wins Journal, Allen Iverson had six seasons where he missed over 1000 shots, and in three of those seasons, his true shooting percentage was less than 50%. Although the Sixers were not a great team, Iverson’s arrogant and egotistical attitude do not give him the right to blame such a ridiculous amount of misses. If he was truly the best and did not need to rely on anyone for help, then he should have been able to put up better shooting percentages. His average points per game, then, do not seem as impressive knowing that he was the star player on the Sixers and had the opportunity to take so many shots. I think Iverson had to make himself believe that he was the best in order to handle the pressures of the NBA and the expectations of his hometown. He had to believe he was talented in order to play with the guts that were necessary to make things happen on the court.
3.I think it’s best for us to evaluate athletes on there on-court accomplishments only because it limits the scope of their greatness to a game. Hopefully, then, we can avoid idolizing them, and we can start to understand that a great athlete is not synonymous with a great person. As a society, we can better distinguish the values of hard work, integrity, graciousness, and humility, as well as flaws like arrogance when the athlete is separated from the person. Through the understanding that athletes can exemplify the most flattering values as well as the lowest flaws, we can avoid justifying the unjustifiable and compromising the integrity of our values.
4.No, I don’t think Neely’s legacy should have been tarnished because he, like Iverson, displayed a moral flaw rather than an athletic one. He, too, was under a tremendous amount of pressure from his community, and it just so happened that his flaw was related to his athletic performance in that game. He was obviously a talented quarterback, but it seems like his town was unaware of his athletic limitations. He, most likely, attempted to fulfill their expectations of him in spite of himself. As an athlete, Neely should appreciate his community, but he should not owe it anything. No man is capable of repaying his community for their efforts, and to try to would only lead to the compromising of morals. The town, again, was at fault for making Neely greater than he actually was, and Neely doesn’t owe it to the town to live up to unattainable expectations.
allen iverson was the shit back in the day, he was nasty, skilled in every aspect of the game he was truly a MVP, but 1. you cant necessarily judge an athletes legacy earlier in the career off of one incident, he made a mistake big deal forget about it, its over n done with, however if he got into more situations like that brawl then you can judge him for bein an idiot.
ReplyDelete2. allen iverson was as talented if not more talented than other player in the league other than michael jordan, iverson wasnt the biggest dude on the court but sure as hell played like it, he played every game in his prime like it was his last, he could dunk, dribble, shoot off of every angle on the court, he made it rain
3. we should as the public and as fans evaulate an athlete by not just their performance on the field but outside of the game as well, whether they support fundraisers or do some kind of charity work, whatever the case may be we should always keep track of a superstar athlete and how they are when they arent playin their respective sport. also we should look at their behavior outside of the sport and see whether they are disciplined or not.
4. Neely doesnt owe the messina community anything, he played his heart out like a true champion and it was shitty he had a career ending injury
1) I think Allen Iverson's legacy shouldn't be effected by his trial but in reality it will be. A person shouldn't be judged on one incident in their childhood but on what they do after that. Despite that, in today's society the media will keep rolling out the same story so people can't forget.
ReplyDelete2) I think he was a very talented player. In the 2005 NBA All Star Game he scored many points and he also got a lot of quality assists.
3) I think we should evaluate players for their actions away from their sport. By being an athlete you are taking on the responsibility of being a role model to many young kids. If a person from another profession that has this much influence on children did something outside of their workplace, their jobs would be at risk. Why shouldn't athletes be held to this same standard?
4) Neely Crenshaw's legacy wasn't effected by the loss in the championship game. This is evident when he returns to the town and everybody recognizes him. They don't remember him for not winning but for being the All American quarterback. This is why he doesn't owe the town anything.
1.) I feel like its really not fair that Iverson was criticized because of that brawl. No one was 100% sure that he even committed any crime at the bowling ally. I think people just made a big deal out of that brawl because it was Allen Iverson, and he was the man in that town and everyone had their eyes on him. No one should ever evaluate his legacy based in that brawl.
ReplyDelete2.) Iverson was clearly a elit player he caried Phili. Allen Iverson was an expert at creating a good shot for him self, and his incredible ball handling gave him a good advantage at point guard even though he was under sized. He was an all star MVP that just had a drive to win like a killer instinct. Phili goes no where with out him.
3.) Athletes should be evaluated by both on and of the court or field actions. If you are a great player but a bad person off the court you don't deserve to be playing that sport. Athletes have the privlage of being a role modle to the youth and if they take that for grantid then they should be punished.
4.) I don't think his legacy should be tarnished because just like Iverson the whole community had their eyes on him. Both of them are really easy to blame just because of there popularity in a small community. He just had so much pressure on him and the whole town was reling on him so much. But the town did not realize that he is a human and he made a mistake that he won't regret.
1.) In my opinion, I don't think Iverson's legacy should have been affected by the brawl in '93. They didn't have enough evidence to prove that Iverson was, in fact, the one that threw the chair at that girl. Just knowing his cocky demeanor I wouldn't doubt that he would deny it even if he did do it. People shouldn't form opinions just because there was a racial fight at the bowling alley... If anything it should have caused racial issues to surface.
ReplyDelete2.) Yes, Allen Iverson will always be remembered in the game of basketball. His stats were consistent for about 10 years and then he started to fade. I was actually surprised when I saw how consistent he was for the first 5 seasons of his NBA career.
3.) I think athletes should be evaluated off the court/field/whatever just as much as they should when they are on the court/field/whatever. I think it is very admirable and inspiring when you see an athlete support their community. It shows the younger generations that look up to them who they are as a person. Some people are fans of an athlete until they find out they are a shitty person outside of their sport. Walter Payton is the first person that comes to my mind when I saw this question because he was such a great person--all around.
4.) I personally don't think that Neely's legacy was tarnished after the final game. I think losing the game would effect him more than it would effect anybody else. The fact that everyone still cherishes him is proof enough. Neely should feel accomplished for what he did and should be very proud.
1.) That should be involved in the evaluation with his legacy. A persons legacy should take in fact everything involved with their life. The legacy of a person is everything that you can think of about that person, positive or negative. It's unfortunate that we can't prove whether he was or wasn't in the brawl, yet it should be included with his legacy
ReplyDelete2.) I believe that Iverson is one of the most talented players in NBA history. Take into mind that most of the more decorated players in the history of the game are above 6'5. Iverson had pure talent and
that's how he defied his height. Without a doubt, he has just as much talent, if not more, than he and everyone else says.
3.) Athletes should only be evaluated on their performances. Athletes make it very clear that they aren't role models and they are just athletes. Most players come from difficult times growing up and tend to be deranged. What they do off the field is their own business and the teams business.
4.) Neely's legacy was not tarnished. We know this because he is still a highly celebrated athlete in the town even we he comes back. He was highly liked in the town by almost everyone.
1. I don’t think we should evaluate his legacy and accomplishments based on the trial, because to me it seems like he got in trouble more being a recognizable black person that was in the brawl. It doesn’t make sense to me how he was the only one charged, when you could clearly see in the video that there were several others involved.
ReplyDelete2. When you look at his stats it is no doubt that he was an extremely talented player, but I think his uncoachable behavior made him less of a player than he could have been. All of the awards he has been rewarded shows that he was a talented player.
3. The way an athlete act off the court shows how he is as a player and a teammate in my opinion. I think athletes should be evaluated by both on-field/on-court accomplishments and their behavior off the court/field, but in the end it is their accomplishments on court that matters in the sport.
4. To me it seems like the town he comes from still has a lot of respect for the player he once was and that they still admire him. I don’t think Neely Crenshaw owes his community anything, mainly because it is isn’t his responsibility as an athlete to uphold a community just because he was extremely talented
1. Yes i believe it should be considered when thinking on his legacy as a whole because then it would be foolish to omit such a key factor of his life. Although we shouldn't let it dominate our thoughts of him either an athlete should also be remembered for his other attributes such as skills.
ReplyDelete2. I believe that he's an incredibly talented athlete he's an all around great player.
3.But when an athlete is thought about if you want him as a role model you should consider his actions but if you want to be a great athlete you should watch his footage and study his technique.
4.I don't think he should view his career as tarnish merely changed by forces of the game. I mean it's definitely a chance you take playing football or any contact sport. So he should just be happy he made it that far.
1.)I dont think one mistake should have destroyed his legacy. It hurt it but is shouldnt be involved with his basketball career. What was kept outside the basketball court should stay there, it shouldnt influence him as an athlete.
ReplyDelete2.) Iverson is definetly up there with all the big names.He was Awarded the best of the best in 2001.His stats show it all but it is true that his agression gave him a bad reputation.
3.) Athletes should be evaluated off the court because thats where you seem them as an everyday person. If they do something for example for charity,they get a reputation benefit, but if they do something wrong everyone will see it and judge them. Thats why many athletes hurt their sports career's due to bad off court/Field decissions. Athletes need to remember that there are thousands that look up to them and they shouldnt let them down by acting foolish.
4.) I dont think it should be tarnished. One game shouldnt affect him. People need to look back to his whole highschool Career and see all his accomplishments. He is highly liked in the community and people remember him as the "All American Quarterback"
1) No, because Iverson was an all around great player in the NBA and before, and as an athlete his legacy should be based on what he did on the court instead of what he did in his past. I think that the brawl/trial evaluates who Iverson is as a person, but not his legacy as an athlete. If people were to judge Iverson as a person, then yes people can use the bowling alley incident to evaluate his character. Looking at Iverson's legacy as an athlete, the incident shouldn't be included because your athletic legacy is based on what you did in games, records set, and championships won.
ReplyDelete2) Iverson is as talented as he believes, because he has accomplished so much on the court and deserves all the credit in the world for his achievements. He has as much talent as some NBA Hall of Fame players and deserves all the respect as they do.
3) You judge athletes based on their on-field achievements. People judge athletes based off their behavior outside of the sport is a character issue, and isn't about their athletic talent. Athletes like Kobe Bryant, Ray Lewis, and Michael Jordan are some of the greatest athletes sports has seen, but their athletic capability isn't based off what they have done in their personal lives. All three men have committed moral crimes, but they still are great athletes despite their choices.
4) No, Neely's legacy shouldn't be tarnished because, he was under a lot of pressure and the whole town and he happened to break a moral lesson and people judge Neely's performance based off that decision. The decisions you make in life are contributed to the person you are, and not the athlete you are. Both Iverson's and Neely's towns still love them, but the rest of the world judges their athletic abilities based off the decisions they have made.
No, Neely didn't owe anything to the community because he led the town to the championship game, and if the town didn't have Neely they wouldn't be in that game. The only thing Neely would've gave the town was another state championship, so the town can celebrate how great he was as a player instead of judging his high school career on that one game they lost.
1. I do not think it is fair to evaluate Iversons legacy with the brawl in mind. It happened when he was young and I personally dont think it was that big of a crime to ruin his whole legacy. I believe in second chances.
ReplyDelete2. While he was playing, Iverson was an elite player and is still one of the big names in basketball. Some people still wear his jersey even though he doesnt play.
3. I believe people have to evaluate athletes with both in mind. There are many examples of great athletes doing stupid things off the court or field such as Allen Iverson, Ray Lewis, Kobe Bryant, Dez Bryant, and many more. But I also believe that you have to look at the accomplishments on the field because some of these great players are record holders and are the face of the franchise.
4. Neely's legacy shouldnt be tarnished. He led his team all the way to the championship game and suffered an injury. I dont think he owes the town anything. Neely can connect with Iverson in alot of ways because they were both stars in their small communities and both had pressure on them to win
1. It is not fair to evaluate iversons legacy with the brawl in mind because we dont actually know the true story about the brawl. Like other people said he was young when he allegedly made that mistake. Everyone makes mistakes as a teenager.
ReplyDelete2.Iverson was definitely the elite player people make him out to be and his stats prove it. He has performed well in big games and has proven his eliteness throughout his career.
3.We should evaluate athletes on their skills on the court, but at the same time off the court. If they don't respect their community and surroundings that shows they are immature and shouldn't be allowed on the court or field.
4.Neelys legacy shouldnt be tarnished. He was a star in a small community and had all eyes on him. When things go bad people look for stars to blame. Its always the best players that get the blame put on them. Its not fair because its a team game.
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ReplyDelete1. I think that it is fair to view Iversons legacy with the brawl. I believe this because you are evaluating his basketball career not his actions outside of the sport. It hurt his image off the court but that does not affect him as a player.
ReplyDelete2. Iverson definitely has the talent that people think. He was the the number one recruit in the nation and was one of the best point guards in the NBA during his time.
3. The only way players should be evaluated is on the court or the field. They play a sport that's their occupation that's why they get paid. Almost every star has made mistakes off the court. Kobe when he "rapped" a girl, LeBron when he made "The Decision", Ray Lewis when he was on trial for murder, or players that get involved in gambling. It doesn't deal with their profession so why should it be relevant.
4. Neelys legacy should not be tarnished. He was a star in the town that he lived and everyone loved him. Bad things happen to good people and Neely got caught in a bad situation.
1. I think Iverson's legacy should be based on his basketball ability. You can evaluate him as a person in regards to the brawl and trial, but his talent and career should be evaluated separately from his personal life.
ReplyDelete2.Iverson easily has the talent that everyone thinks he has. Being the number one recruit in the nation is not just by luck. It takes pure talent to get to that point. I think it definitely boosts his ego too much because if he wasn't a good basketball player, nobody would know who he is.
3. Athletes shouldn't get away with committing crimes. Ever. But as an athlete, they should be evaluated by their ability and talent in the game. It is their job which means they get paid to play basketball, but a doctor wouldn't be hired if he had a criminal record. I don't think that it is fair that athletes have an easier time getting away with committing crimes. They should not get special treatment because they are blessed with being an outstanding athlete. But if you are evaluating a player's ability, their life outside of the game shouldn't be pit into consideration. It isn't part of their stats, so it shouldn't be part of their evaluation within the sport.
4. I definitely think that Neely did the best he could to "uphold" any hopes for the town. I think the town needs to realize that there is more to life than football if they are going to be upset that he didn't make it to the NFL. He was a wonderful athlete when he was in town and was tremendous until his accident in college. Neely should not be ashamed of anything he has done.
1. Theres not 100% proof that Iverson was in the brawl or not. So it shouldnt be used against him as a basketball player, especially because fights happen all the time and the only reason it was such a big deal was because he is famous.
ReplyDelete2. In his prime, Iverson was an amazing player. And thats why he is in the NBA, along with all the other amazing players in the US. And he deserved to be there.
3. I don't judge players by the person they are. I judge them by how they play. And i think thats how everyone should judge athletes.
4. One game doesn't make an athlete. It takes all of them. All athletes have they're off days. So Neely's playing should not have been judged by that one champoinship game.
1. it's unfair to judge Allen Iverson on one mistake he did in this past. I also think had an unfair sentencing for a bawl and they can prove he was in the bawl.
ReplyDelete2.Allen Iverson was a stud he avg. 26.7 points per game over his career with 6.2 APG.
3. Would should evaluate athletes base on their beacuse that what they are getting paid for. Athletes should also be evaluate by their behavior because children look up too ahtletes.
4. No Neeley legacy is not tarnished because of this injury in the final champonship game. Things like this happen in the game of football he had to control of the player that injured him. I think he uphold his community very well he work his butt off.
1. I don't think anything is fair about judging Iversons career on that one brawl that happened in high school. Maybe if he got some extra basketball skills from slamming that chair into that womens face I would say something but, he didn't.
ReplyDelete2. I think that Iverson will go down as one of the most talented point guards who ever played he was extremely talented and no matter what you say about him will always be remembered as such.
3. Honestly as long as you don't go hangout with them then why should you care what they're doing thats a problem with society today. Players like Iverson pull in hate people will find anything to say about you because you don't have something they do, crazy talents. Just look at Lebron James he hasn't every really committed crimes except for accepting money and a hummer in high school but society will say whatever they can find against you.
4. Neeley was definitely not thought of in a negative way when he came back after losing the state championship game if anything he was still praised for being a All-American QB and leading his team all they way to state.
1. It's not fair but it's going to happen. Once you become known or famous your personal life becomes apart of you and your work. Can sometimes overshadow your accomplishments.
ReplyDelete2. Yeah I do. He was an elite player and he was cocky as hell. I do think he believes he better than he actually is now that hes old. But back in his prime he was one of the best and his stats show it.
3. No. You watch them for the game, what they do off the court is their business. Just because of what Iverson did doesnt make him less of a basketball player, but it does make him less of a man in a sense though. But still 2 separate things.
4. No, I think it was such a big deal because it was the championship. Everything he did leading up to that should be recognized. And no, this town is psycho about football and needs to calm down. People grow up and move out. You can't expect so much from someone because they played on their high school football team.
1. It is not fair to judge him by just that brawl. Things happen when you are adults and sometimes you cant control it. It was just one thing he did wrong and he shouldn't have to be blamed that much for that mistake.
ReplyDelete2. Allen is a great basketball player. In my point of view, he is extremely talented and he is probably one of the best basketball players i have seen.
3.Athletes should be judged on their skills and performance. no one really cares what they do outside of the court and if his attitude is bad, not one honestly cares.
4. No because Neely was just crazy about winning the champions. Allen needed to fix his own problems.
1.I don't think it is fair to just judge him by that brawl but by ALL of his actions.
ReplyDelete2.Iverson was an amazing basketball player. He is extremely talented no matter what he does outside of the court.
3.I think athletes should be some what judged by how they are outside of the game because they are a role model for a lot of people. But i don't think it should affect their entire career.
4.Neely Crenshaw's legacy wasn't effected by the loss in the championship game. This is evident when he returns to the town and everybody recognizes him. They don't remember him for not winning but for being the All American quarterback.
1. I absolutely hate when you talk about someone's life and all you hone in on is their short comings. Look at Micheal Jackson for example, yes he defenitaly had his huge cases in court. But you never, and i mean never do you hear talk about his Presidential Humanitarian Award that he received or any of the charity work that he did to help make this world just a little bit better.
ReplyDelete2.Not only was he amazing in college but he deffenitaly didn't happen to stumble upon the MVP award in '01 otherwise why doesn't Brian Scalabrine have one? Oh right because you actualy have to work for it.
3. I do not believe that a man's actions out side the field should effect him, one because you don't normally see a grown man want to tackle you outside in the real world and two it is just that, his personal life and you are no one to judge him. Everything in life is situation, nothing is ever black or white, only about billions of different shades of gray.
4.No i think that it is just that, high school football. and it should be played for the love of it and not treated as a job. Also i believe that Neely really needs to get a life and move the heck on with his life, truly, bro your a grown ass man, do you really not have a life by now? If you are looking back at high school and you wish about going back, you have bigger problems on your hands.
1)it is fair because a legacy is everything about a person including how they are off the court. Without the brawl trial Allen Iverson wouldve retired with a better legacy.
ReplyDelete2) Allen Iverson was THAT good. He was the quickest on the court at all times. He had raw talent and was a guy that teams wanted. It may not show up in the stat sheets but he always had a huge impact on games. He was the guy everyone wanted to play with in NBA Live 03.
3) as a person we can judge athletes as much as we want. That doesn't mean you cant like them as an athlete. I hate LeBron James but he is still arguably the best athlete in sports today.
4) If Neely Crenshaw had a great legacy it would be his high school career. Nobody can leave a legacy outside of maybe a few close communinities by playing high shcool football.
i think in this case it wasnt really fair to evaluate it with his legacy because no one even knew for sure if he even did anything they just based it on what the white people who were there and what they said, during that time people were stll pretty racist and wanted to believe he took part in throwing the chairs because it was easy to acuse him cause he was black. then again i think it was somewhat also his fault and he deserved some of what came to him only because he had such a big ego and wasnt really an all around nice person, he knew that fighing and drawing negative attention to himself like he did sometimes would forsure affect what people though of him. he was he should have been accountable for his part in the brawl, but i think the sentence he got was unfair because he wasnt one of the people who threw the chairs or hurt anybody it was just easier to target him because he was very well known.its way more common to make a legacy when your part of a known team and just be an all around good player, i think it cdan happen anywhere just as long as you have passion at what you do and your good at it.
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